Astrologers are paid to talk and psychologists are paid to listen. Why does that seem to be true when it does not have to be that way? This mini-workshop expresses the concepts and demonstrates the empathic listening skills model used by ISAR in its consulting skills training curriculum. The ISAR consulting skills training is where astrological knowledge and effective listening behaviors work together to allow our clients to assume control in their lives and lead themselves to their own solutions. Consulting skills training is a requirement for ISAR certification.